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	<title>Comments on: Fatwa issue on tomboys &#8211; Malaysiakini</title>
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		<title>By: yugimudo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yugimudo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lolz. Again I apologize of misunderstanding I caused. Next time I&#039;ll mind my grammar very carefully. I just wanna tell how fatwa is made not flamming anyone. Chill. There is no ill intention in my post. It&#039;s all about facts. If I made mistake, then sorry lor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolz. Again I apologize of misunderstanding I caused. Next time I&#8217;ll mind my grammar very carefully. I just wanna tell how fatwa is made not flamming anyone. Chill. There is no ill intention in my post. It&#8217;s all about facts. If I made mistake, then sorry lor.</p>
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		<title>By: lilian</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh - BACALAH BAIK-BAIK.  Stop giving your opinions unless you really get what I was saying.  I said, It is OK for the fatwa/or not  &#039;cos it covers the Muslims and those protestors there are NOT Muslims and they should not be saying stupid fatwa everywhere.


Gee...where is your eyes lah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh &#8211; BACALAH BAIK-BAIK.  Stop giving your opinions unless you really get what I was saying.  I said, It is OK for the fatwa/or not  &#8216;cos it covers the Muslims and those protestors there are NOT Muslims and they should not be saying stupid fatwa everywhere.</p>
<p>Gee&#8230;where is your eyes lah?</p>
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		<title>By: yugimudo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yugimudo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatwa is law. We don&#039;t make law just like that. I doubt the fatwa council make some law based on their feeling. Let me tell you what you all don&#039;t know.

To make a fatwa you must make a deep detailed discussion with protocol. Everyone must give evidence to go against or accept the new fatwa. All evidence must come from holy Quran. If there is no evidence, it must come from what prophet Muhammad SAW had said (hadith). If still no evidence, we have to rely on his successor,the khulaf arrasyidin, for evidence. If still no evidence, we have to entrust the wise men of muslim to come out with a solution (syura or &#039;discussion&#039;). To do that, the wise men must be from a good background in holy Quran studies and must fully understand arabic (meaning he understand what is written in holy Quran better than we ever will). You think discussion are made in one day? Just like any law, we have to present a draft and have to be refine until it is acceptable and undeniable. BTW, this is a priority about the evidence, Quran&gt;hadith&gt;syura. Quran&#039;s evidence can cancel all evidence regardless their source


Still think that they do easy work to get easy money? Do you ever go to a meeting where you are making a decision while being constantly heavily pressured??? Do a wrong decision, eternal wrath await you. Do a right decision, wrath of some(many?) people await you. Personally I choose people&#039;s wrath than everlasting wrath.

If non-muslim want to follow the fatwa then go ahead. It is not something bad and intended to bring better life quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatwa is law. We don&#8217;t make law just like that. I doubt the fatwa council make some law based on their feeling. Let me tell you what you all don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>To make a fatwa you must make a deep detailed discussion with protocol. Everyone must give evidence to go against or accept the new fatwa. All evidence must come from holy Quran. If there is no evidence, it must come from what prophet Muhammad SAW had said (hadith). If still no evidence, we have to rely on his successor,the khulaf arrasyidin, for evidence. If still no evidence, we have to entrust the wise men of muslim to come out with a solution (syura or &#8216;discussion&#8217;). To do that, the wise men must be from a good background in holy Quran studies and must fully understand arabic (meaning he understand what is written in holy Quran better than we ever will). You think discussion are made in one day? Just like any law, we have to present a draft and have to be refine until it is acceptable and undeniable. BTW, this is a priority about the evidence, Quran&gt;hadith&gt;syura. Quran&#8217;s evidence can cancel all evidence regardless their source</p>
<p>Still think that they do easy work to get easy money? Do you ever go to a meeting where you are making a decision while being constantly heavily pressured??? Do a wrong decision, eternal wrath await you. Do a right decision, wrath of some(many?) people await you. Personally I choose people&#8217;s wrath than everlasting wrath.</p>
<p>If non-muslim want to follow the fatwa then go ahead. It is not something bad and intended to bring better life quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Yra Wan</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-journey.com/for-once-i-agree-that-it-is-wrong-to-protest-on-the-fatwa-issue-on-tomboys/comment-page-1/#comment-1653</link>
		<dc:creator>Yra Wan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, i stumbled upon your blog once or twice before and i love it :) I am very happy to see a Malaysian that has your way of thinking, which is to know one&#039;s boundaries, respect each others religion and live without negativity in this all-around-multi-everything country. I mean, if it doesn&#039;t affect non-muslims then they should not meddle as muslims also should not meddle with Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and etc. I think people like you make Malaysia a more understanding and peaceful country, thanks :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i stumbled upon your blog once or twice before and i love it <img src='http://www.christian-journey.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I am very happy to see a Malaysian that has your way of thinking, which is to know one&#8217;s boundaries, respect each others religion and live without negativity in this all-around-multi-everything country. I mean, if it doesn&#8217;t affect non-muslims then they should not meddle as muslims also should not meddle with Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and etc. I think people like you make Malaysia a more understanding and peaceful country, thanks <img src='http://www.christian-journey.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: friend</title>
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		<dc:creator>friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, i would be disgusted if my mother were to have sexual relations with anyone, in front of me and my friends! won&#039;t you? What she does behind the doors, and does not cause harm to others, is really her business. Talking about having an affair is one thing, homosexuality is another. If you&#039;re homophobic and don&#039;t know anyone who&#039;s gay, then you&#039;d probably be disgusted by gays, especially if you lack the compassion and filled with prejudice instead that people of the same gender can and do fall in love. just like how white people outlawed marriage between white and black people, because they are disgusted that white people can want to be intimate with black people. Thank goodness times have changed or else we won&#039;t have an obama.

If you don&#039;t see gay people and pengkids as human, which you probably don&#039;t, then you probably won&#039;t care what can potentially happen to them with the fatwa. We &#039;think&#039; the fatwa won&#039;t be enforced. Are you &#039;sure&#039; they won&#039;t be enforced? that&#039;s what the whole lot of people thought about the ISA until it was used and abused for DSAI and a whole lot of people the govt just didn&#039;t like. How do u define &#039;tomboy&#039; anyway&#039;? Short hair? Wear pants? more than half the women of Malaysian muslims could be potentialy arrested. The point here is that it CAN be used and thus can be a dangerous tool, apart from sexism and homophobia issues. 

I personally think muslims should fight for their own cause, as otherwise, it may be wrongly perceived that non-muslims are &#039;challenging&#039; islam. I believe there are also muslims, men, and straight people who were also protesting. so it&#039;s not really a protest by &#039;non-muslims&#039; only. though its understandable with all the sexist and homophobic threats, that very few muslims would want to speak up about it.  
 
but honestly, why the extreme reactions by some muslims? Have you read some of the blogs  spewing threats? This protest is a small group of young people making a stand against sexism, who may be insensitive in using their chants. but does it represent some dangerous &#039;challenge&#039; to islam? What challenge? It is these kinds of hostile reactions by some muslims that fuel perceptions of islamaphobia.

a more in-depth study and contemplation into religion is needed if one cannot see past the prejudice and treat all human beings with love and compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, i would be disgusted if my mother were to have sexual relations with anyone, in front of me and my friends! won&#8217;t you? What she does behind the doors, and does not cause harm to others, is really her business. Talking about having an affair is one thing, homosexuality is another. If you&#8217;re homophobic and don&#8217;t know anyone who&#8217;s gay, then you&#8217;d probably be disgusted by gays, especially if you lack the compassion and filled with prejudice instead that people of the same gender can and do fall in love. just like how white people outlawed marriage between white and black people, because they are disgusted that white people can want to be intimate with black people. Thank goodness times have changed or else we won&#8217;t have an obama.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t see gay people and pengkids as human, which you probably don&#8217;t, then you probably won&#8217;t care what can potentially happen to them with the fatwa. We &#8216;think&#8217; the fatwa won&#8217;t be enforced. Are you &#8216;sure&#8217; they won&#8217;t be enforced? that&#8217;s what the whole lot of people thought about the ISA until it was used and abused for DSAI and a whole lot of people the govt just didn&#8217;t like. How do u define &#8216;tomboy&#8217; anyway&#8217;? Short hair? Wear pants? more than half the women of Malaysian muslims could be potentialy arrested. The point here is that it CAN be used and thus can be a dangerous tool, apart from sexism and homophobia issues. </p>
<p>I personally think muslims should fight for their own cause, as otherwise, it may be wrongly perceived that non-muslims are &#8216;challenging&#8217; islam. I believe there are also muslims, men, and straight people who were also protesting. so it&#8217;s not really a protest by &#8216;non-muslims&#8217; only. though its understandable with all the sexist and homophobic threats, that very few muslims would want to speak up about it.  </p>
<p>but honestly, why the extreme reactions by some muslims? Have you read some of the blogs  spewing threats? This protest is a small group of young people making a stand against sexism, who may be insensitive in using their chants. but does it represent some dangerous &#8216;challenge&#8217; to islam? What challenge? It is these kinds of hostile reactions by some muslims that fuel perceptions of islamaphobia.</p>
<p>a more in-depth study and contemplation into religion is needed if one cannot see past the prejudice and treat all human beings with love and compassion.</p>
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