To Lilian:
Thank you sister for providing space for this discussion. That’s Very nice of you. Just bear in minds that this discussion is not about converting other into particular faith. It’s more about sharing and changing idea among us. Hope, there will be more space for discussion. If God Wills, we will organize second interfaith dialog in USM Kubang KErian Kelantan this December. Once the date and speaker is confirmed, i will inform you ok……

Thanks, Jacknaim for having this peaceful discussion. Like I said earlier, there is no right and wrong to how we worship God. Anyway, I hope you have been enlightened by Jeff and Weekend Fisher for their generous sharing of our Christian faith.

Thanks also to Weekend Fisher for helping out to explain to Jacknaim.

In Gen. 1:1-3, we are “introduced” to God, His Spirit, and His Word (by which He creates all things). That was my point.

Jacknaim: What is the word in Greek for God in Gen 1:3 Theos or Ho Theos?

In Gen 1:1, it appears to be “ho theos”, and in Gen 1:3, “ho theos” as well. It is God’s Word that creates; the Old and New Testaments agree on this. The New Testament identifies Jesus Christ as that Word.

Jacknaim: Then how come God cannot find where Adam and Eve hid and don’t even sure that Adam and Eve ate the fruit?

It COULD be a literary construction used by God (and the author). Or, it could be simply literal, that God asked a question: NOT because He didn’t know the answer, but to force the one to whom He asked the question to “fess up” and give the answer. Surely you know that a person can ask a question to which they already know the answer! Does Allah never ask a question in the Quran?

Jacknaim: If you read [Matthew 15:21ff and Luke 7:1ff] carefully, they are healed by their faith towards Almighty God and not faith towards Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 15, the woman comes to Jesus and calls him “O Lord, Son of David” and asks HIM to have mercy on her. In Luke 7, the centurion sends for Jesus, and then declares that he is unworthy to receive Jesus, but that the words of Jesus will be enough to heal his servant. Why did these two people bother asking Jesus for anything, then? They could have exercised their faith in Almighty God from home…

Jacknaim: Christian scholar agreed that the old scripture of Matthew does not contain verse 28:18-20 and said that this was an edtitoon. So how would I know whether it is the true word of Jesus or not?

HOW CONVENIENT FOR YOU. This is why I will not be continuing this question-and-answer session any further. I prophesied this to my wife over the weekend, saying to her that EVEN IF I produce strong evidence from the Bible, you can always refuse to accept it by means of the argument that it has been corrupted by Christians.

You can know Jesus said those words because the Church, endowed with grace and authority by God Himself, has recognized that the Gospels are true.

Jacknaim: And these two verse certainly against what is mention in Matthew 10:5-6

DIFFERENT TIMES. At the END of his earthly ministry, after his death and Resurrection, and just prior to his Ascension, THEN Jesus gives them the commission to go to the rest of the world. At first, it is necessary to spread the Gospel among Israel; afterwards, to the whole world.

Jacknaim: Since you believe in the concept of Alpha and Omega, then it is not the Lord God. The Lord God does not have the beginning or ending.

That’s your lousy interpretation; that is not what the Church understands it to mean. He is the source and end of everything. He is before all and after all. He was, He is, and He will be. He does not say “I have a beginning and an end”. He says HE IS the beginning and the end.

Jacknaim: then Malchaesaedik is greater than God as he has no beginning and ending.

Some Jews believed that Melchizedek might have been a manifestation of God; other Jews identified him with Noah’s son Shem. In Hebrews 7:1-3, the author is pointing out that Melchizedek is an oddity in Scripture, because he is never “introduced” by means of a genealogy.

Jacknaim: II Corinthians, 4:4: And the devil is the God of this world.

That’s not what it says. It says “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not…” Yes, it is referring to the Devil as the “god of this world”, but not in the sense that the Devil is truly god, but that he rules this world by means of our sinfulness. And the Greek reads “ho theos” there, in case you were wondering.

I am not continuing this conversation. I apologize to Lillian, and I apologize to you, Jacknaim. I wish I could convince you of the truth of Jesus Christ, but I am not the one to do so. I pray that God would open your heart so that your eyes and ears would be opened as well.

Jacknaim said:
Look, I don’t get the picture here. Why you pin point Gen 1:3? What I’m trying to stress on Gen 1:1 is that ‘the spirit of God’ could mean something else besides Jesus or Holy Spirit. Erm well, maybe you try to proove the existence of two personalities here by bolding the word ‘said’. And again, I’m questioning you. What is the word in Greek for God in Gen 1:3 Theos or Ho Theos?

Check Exodus 31:3
and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills—

So, is it possible that Spirit of God could means something else?

Jeff:
God knows, before He creates the universe, that Adam and Eve are going to use their free will against HIS Divine will

Jacknaim said:
is it? Then how come God cannot find where Adam and Eve hid and don’t even sure that Adam and Eve ate the fruit? Not me said so, but the Bible said it. Refer Gen 3:8-11

8Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?” 10He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” 11And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

Jeff said:
Jesus was SENT to Israel, for the lost sheep of Israel, yes. That doesn’t mean that non-Israelites did not seek him out! There are instances of non-Jews believing in Jesus and being healed in the Gospels. See Matthew 15:21ff and Luke 7:1ff for examples.

Jacknaim said:
If you read those text carefully, they are healed by their faith towards Almighty God and not faith towards Jesus Christ.

Jeff said:
he told his Apostles to perpetuate his mission (preaching the Good News and baptizing and making disciples) throughout the WHOLE WORLD. See Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 1:8.

Jacknaim said:
Christian schoolar agreed that the old scripture of Matthew does not contain verse 28:18-20 and said that this was an edtitoon. So how would I know whether it is the true word of Jesus or not?

And these two verse certainly against what is mention in Matthew 10:5-6
“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel

Jacknaim said:
Since you believe in the concept of Alpha and Omega, then it is not the Lord God. The Lord God does not have the beginning or ending. By putting the word alpha and omega, you re putting the beginning and ending to God. If so, then Malchaesaedik is greater than God as he has no beginning and ending.

Jeff said:
Could you provide a reference for me so I can investigate?

Jacknaim said:
II Corinthians, 4:4
And the devil is the God of this world.

Besides, Pharoah also being reffering as god.

Weekend Fisher said:
I wouldn’t get too distracted by the different branches of Christianity; think of them like the Sunni and the Shiites and the Druzes and so forth.

Jacknaim said:
Division in christianity and Islam is totally different. Sunni and Shiites born due to the political differences after the death of Prophet Muhammad. The Shiites want the family of Muhammad (Ali) to become a leader. However the community choose Abu Bakar. The fight continue that result in the murdering of Islamic Chalipht. They are fighting until now but still believing in one God, having the same Quran.

However the division I christianity is totally defferent with different Bible, opinion regarding Mary and position of the head of the church and many more.